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	<description>Lazy rascals, spending their substance, and more, in riotous living</description>
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		<title>By: The curse of the hipsters &#171; Hanging Around On The Wrong Side Of The World (still)</title>
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		<dc:creator>The curse of the hipsters &#171; Hanging Around On The Wrong Side Of The World (still)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 15:16:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] VoYou has pointed out, Adbusters is itself riddled with [...]</description>
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		<title>By: ben wolfson</title>
		<link>http://blog.voyou.org/2008/08/07/adbusters-pawn-of-capital/comment-page-1/#comment-32293</link>
		<dc:creator>ben wolfson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 04:20:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the gap between the self and the capitalist system is actually illusory, in what does the awareness of the adbusters-purchaser that, in general, consumer choices are not authentic consist?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the gap between the self and the capitalist system is actually illusory, in what does the awareness of the adbusters-purchaser that, in general, consumer choices are not authentic consist?</p>
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		<title>By: voyou</title>
		<link>http://blog.voyou.org/2008/08/07/adbusters-pawn-of-capital/comment-page-1/#comment-32292</link>
		<dc:creator>voyou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 00:51:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I certainly don&#039;t want to deny that there have been oppositional elements to subcultures. What I think is wrong with the Abusters article is the attempt to draw a pretty sharp line between these oppositional elements and the consumerist elements, where I think they&#039;re much more closely tied to one another: the things that make a subculture oppositional are related to the things that make a subculture choose particular consumer objects.

That said, and leaving aside my general dislike of the language of &quot;recuperation,&quot; the idea of hipsterism as &quot;pre-recuperated&quot; does kind of sound right. I wonder why this is the case, though? The YBA&#039;s will-to-recuperation gave them some pretty obvious rewards (fame, money); I don&#039;t see any obvious such mechanism in the case of hipsters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I certainly don&#8217;t want to deny that there have been oppositional elements to subcultures. What I think is wrong with the Abusters article is the attempt to draw a pretty sharp line between these oppositional elements and the consumerist elements, where I think they&#8217;re much more closely tied to one another: the things that make a subculture oppositional are related to the things that make a subculture choose particular consumer objects.</p>
<p>That said, and leaving aside my general dislike of the language of &#8220;recuperation,&#8221; the idea of hipsterism as &#8220;pre-recuperated&#8221; does kind of sound right. I wonder why this is the case, though? The YBA&#8217;s will-to-recuperation gave them some pretty obvious rewards (fame, money); I don&#8217;t see any obvious such mechanism in the case of hipsters.</p>
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		<title>By: Owen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Owen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 21:08:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>May I state before I go on that irrespective of materialist analyses of hipsterdom, I am both very thin and I have an asymmetrical haircut. And I went to Goldsmiths College for 6 years...

...although I share your disdain for &lt;em&gt;Adbusters&lt;/em&gt;, I think one should stress that there &lt;em&gt;have been&lt;/em&gt; oppositional elements to subcultures. Often overstated by Birmingham school types, perhaps - but to deny it altogether seems to play into the hands of a certain pomo &#039;nothing has ever happened, ever&#039; logic. Sure, mid-80s B-Boys took money from Adidas, Mods fetishised Italian labels and casuals collected trainers, but all had elements in them which eventually resulted in, oh, Public Enemy or the Sex Pistols, or rave, all of which I would wager induced actual terror in the hearts of our enemies, even if they were of course quickly recuperated. Hipsterdom (vague and amorphous as it is) is to a degree unprecedented in that - like the &#039;Young British Art&#039; of the early 90s which represented perhaps its earliest manifestation - it comes already pre-recuperated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>May I state before I go on that irrespective of materialist analyses of hipsterdom, I am both very thin and I have an asymmetrical haircut. And I went to Goldsmiths College for 6 years&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230;although I share your disdain for <em>Adbusters</em>, I think one should stress that there <em>have been</em> oppositional elements to subcultures. Often overstated by Birmingham school types, perhaps &#8211; but to deny it altogether seems to play into the hands of a certain pomo &#8216;nothing has ever happened, ever&#8217; logic. Sure, mid-80s B-Boys took money from Adidas, Mods fetishised Italian labels and casuals collected trainers, but all had elements in them which eventually resulted in, oh, Public Enemy or the Sex Pistols, or rave, all of which I would wager induced actual terror in the hearts of our enemies, even if they were of course quickly recuperated. Hipsterdom (vague and amorphous as it is) is to a degree unprecedented in that &#8211; like the &#8216;Young British Art&#8217; of the early 90s which represented perhaps its earliest manifestation &#8211; it comes already pre-recuperated.</p>
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		<title>By: Jmo</title>
		<link>http://blog.voyou.org/2008/08/07/adbusters-pawn-of-capital/comment-page-1/#comment-32290</link>
		<dc:creator>Jmo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 17:41:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having sported one or two asymmetrical haircuts too many, I&#039;d be happy to assist in a case study. Similarly, was a sometimes unintentionally amusing essay titled &#039;Shame &amp; Glory: A Sociology of Hair&#039; by Anthony Synnott, published in &#039;87 in the British Journal of Sociology, which addresses the importance of hair in sub/youth culture. Didn&#039;t quite help me get an essay on Britney Spears head shaving antics off the ground, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having sported one or two asymmetrical haircuts too many, I&#8217;d be happy to assist in a case study. Similarly, was a sometimes unintentionally amusing essay titled &#8216;Shame &amp; Glory: A Sociology of Hair&#8217; by Anthony Synnott, published in &#8216;87 in the British Journal of Sociology, which addresses the importance of hair in sub/youth culture. Didn&#8217;t quite help me get an essay on Britney Spears head shaving antics off the ground, though.</p>
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		<title>By: voyou</title>
		<link>http://blog.voyou.org/2008/08/07/adbusters-pawn-of-capital/comment-page-1/#comment-32289</link>
		<dc:creator>voyou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 17:11:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m definitely in favor of a materialist analysis of hipsterism, perhaps along the lines of &lt;a href=&quot;http://nastybrutalistandshort.blogspot.com/2008/07/poor-but-sexy.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Owen&#039;s post here&lt;/a&gt;. I&#039;m not sure it would necessarily need to avoid stereotypes, though. I think there could be something interesting to be said about the political economy of asymmetrical haircuts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m definitely in favor of a materialist analysis of hipsterism, perhaps along the lines of <a href="http://nastybrutalistandshort.blogspot.com/2008/07/poor-but-sexy.html" rel="nofollow">Owen&#8217;s post here</a>. I&#8217;m not sure it would necessarily need to avoid stereotypes, though. I think there could be something interesting to be said about the political economy of asymmetrical haircuts.</p>
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		<title>By: Jmo</title>
		<link>http://blog.voyou.org/2008/08/07/adbusters-pawn-of-capital/comment-page-1/#comment-32288</link>
		<dc:creator>Jmo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 09:46:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would love to read a class analysis of hipsters via Bourdieu, but only to see if it would be at all possible to do so without falling into the trap of looking only at stereotypes. So many hipsters, so little time...

A friend of mine is starting research on an economic analysis of the UK hardcore (punk) scene, and it&#039;ll be interesting to see how alternative, if at all, the economics of the subculture are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would love to read a class analysis of hipsters via Bourdieu, but only to see if it would be at all possible to do so without falling into the trap of looking only at stereotypes. So many hipsters, so little time&#8230;</p>
<p>A friend of mine is starting research on an economic analysis of the UK hardcore (punk) scene, and it&#8217;ll be interesting to see how alternative, if at all, the economics of the subculture are.</p>
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		<title>By: geo</title>
		<link>http://blog.voyou.org/2008/08/07/adbusters-pawn-of-capital/comment-page-1/#comment-32287</link>
		<dc:creator>geo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 21:14:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hey man, saw this adbusters cover while in NYC (home of a particularly pernicious hipsterism). jackie and i did a class analysis of hipsters with some bourdieu (not my idea) thrown in...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey man, saw this adbusters cover while in NYC (home of a particularly pernicious hipsterism). jackie and i did a class analysis of hipsters with some bourdieu (not my idea) thrown in&#8230;</p>
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