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	<title>Comments on: Hip-​hop is dead</title>
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		<title>By: Jeff Rubard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Rubard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 15:19:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Further comment: the sounds of black music in general are bifurcated today. Some of it is real old, even pre-funk, in inspiration: for example, &quot;Shawty Is A Ten&quot; was basically a doo-wop song with modern lingo, and although &quot;neo-soul&quot; is partially white revivalism it has not gone without notice. Then there&#039;s the club crossover music, and although that subgenre&#039;s traditionally known by another name maybe that&#039;s the beginning of the new genre you&#039;re talking about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Further comment: the sounds of black music in general are bifurcated today. Some of it is real old, even pre-funk, in inspiration: for example, &#8220;Shawty Is A Ten&#8221; was basically a doo-wop song with modern lingo, and although &#8220;neo-soul&#8221; is partially white revivalism it has not gone without notice. Then there&#8217;s the club crossover music, and although that subgenre&#8217;s traditionally known by another name maybe that&#8217;s the beginning of the new genre you&#8217;re talking about.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Rubard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Rubard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:22:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, you&#039;re right to identify some kind of shift in the genre status of hip-hop, but it&#039;s not necessarily all that recent an event. L.L. Cool J saying &quot;When my six-pack is faded and rap is outdated&quot; back in 2005 made me wonder a little, but the early part of this decade was actually a great time for hip-hop as opposed to the dead zone of the late &#039;90s, so I was just glad to listen. 

However, now there are problems with the business model of hip-hop: since it&#039;s hard to get fans to buy records, the radio stations that promote the records are hurting. On a cultural level, it&#039;s hard to see exactly who hip-hop speaks to: there was a recent period when that strain of black culture was &lt;em&gt;dirigente&lt;/em&gt; for the American proletariat generally, but maybe that&#039;s not the de facto reality today.

On a critical level, I guess you could say we are living in the &quot;closure&quot; of hip-hop: the organizing principles are visible to people who care to look. That doesn&#039;t mean it&#039;s a &quot;specific and closed set of tropes&quot;, but that its signifying power is perfectly general: they represent what they want to represent, there&#039;s not occultation. 

Of course there can always be subgenre innovation, like the &quot;New Jack Swing&quot; of Bush I you refer to, but generally speaking hip-hop&#039;s project is realized: it&#039;s not an &quot;heroic&quot; era. You may be right that there will be something else, something very distinctly different, coming out of a new cultural matrix. But in meantime, we can all &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3Ck4ASIl5E&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;throw our hands in the ayer&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, you&#8217;re right to identify some kind of shift in the genre status of hip-hop, but it&#8217;s not necessarily all that recent an event. L.L. Cool J saying &#8220;When my six-pack is faded and rap is outdated&#8221; back in 2005 made me wonder a little, but the early part of this decade was actually a great time for hip-hop as opposed to the dead zone of the late &#8217;90s, so I was just glad to listen. </p>
<p>However, now there are problems with the business model of hip-hop: since it&#8217;s hard to get fans to buy records, the radio stations that promote the records are hurting. On a cultural level, it&#8217;s hard to see exactly who hip-hop speaks to: there was a recent period when that strain of black culture was <em>dirigente</em> for the American proletariat generally, but maybe that&#8217;s not the de facto reality today.</p>
<p>On a critical level, I guess you could say we are living in the &#8220;closure&#8221; of hip-hop: the organizing principles are visible to people who care to look. That doesn&#8217;t mean it&#8217;s a &#8220;specific and closed set of tropes&#8221;, but that its signifying power is perfectly general: they represent what they want to represent, there&#8217;s not occultation. </p>
<p>Of course there can always be subgenre innovation, like the &#8220;New Jack Swing&#8221; of Bush I you refer to, but generally speaking hip-hop&#8217;s project is realized: it&#8217;s not an &#8220;heroic&#8221; era. You may be right that there will be something else, something very distinctly different, coming out of a new cultural matrix. But in meantime, we can all <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3Ck4ASIl5E" rel="nofollow">throw our hands in the ayer</a>.</p>
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