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	<title>Comments on: Arendt in the West Wing</title>
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		<title>By: Carl Dyke</title>
		<link>http://blog.voyou.org/2008/04/21/arendt-in-the-west-wing/comment-page-1/#comment-23988</link>
		<dc:creator>Carl Dyke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 16:54:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I enjoyed these remarks about Arendt and the West Wing. 

There are a variety of familiar dichotomies that seem to be in play here: idealism/materialism, gemeinschaft/gesellschaft, individual/society, linear/non-linear, lumping/splitting. 

For the purists all of the stuff we find interesting and real looks like &quot;corruption.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I enjoyed these remarks about Arendt and the West Wing. </p>
<p>There are a variety of familiar dichotomies that seem to be in play here: idealism/materialism, gemeinschaft/gesellschaft, individual/society, linear/non-linear, lumping/splitting. </p>
<p>For the purists all of the stuff we find interesting and real looks like &#8220;corruption.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Navid</title>
		<link>http://blog.voyou.org/2008/04/21/arendt-in-the-west-wing/comment-page-1/#comment-23945</link>
		<dc:creator>Navid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 06:56:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Voyou,

Sorry about not finishing up that earlier thought. I wrote a nice long post and some random &#039;cookies setting&#039; on my browser messed it up and all was lost. 

All I was going to say is that I felt Villa wasn&#039;t  critiquing social democracy, but rather anyone with a hint of a Post-Structuralist reading- especially in the moment he brought up the constitution. 

If you remember, he made comments that went something along the lines of &quot;You COULD do that with her thought&quot; - &quot;but not around me plz&quot; or &quot;that wasn&#039;t one of her strengths, it wasn&#039;t her focus, so don&#039;t even bother&quot; (the latter being directed at the woman asking about the law). 

Indeed, I definitely felt that he was in some way channeling Arendt (especially by discarding the Post-Structuralist readings in favor of an intentionalist reading). Yet I also felt that he was far enough removed from his object (Arendt&#039;s thought) so that he could still historicize it by saying that the critique of the social wasn&#039;t aimed at the social democrats of today (who if we believe Sherri Berman is the ideological form of the end of history), but rather against the pertinently anti-liberal forms of Marxisms of yesteryear. 

Or Jacobins for that matter; he did bring up Arendt&#039;s reading of the French Revolution which is in many ways in line with Burke&#039;s thought. In both analyses- the enemy is the social. They also both supported the American Revolution, but held cynical attitudes to the successes of the French (precluding an analysis of them as &#039;anti-revolutionary&#039;).  Most importantly, Burke insisted that the French championed the abstract idea of liberty rather than its reality- which is produced and maintained by civil government. This sounds a lot like Arendt. 

Also, if you remember, the constitution-talk was brought up at the end of his presentation during the Q &amp; A. By this point, the discussion of the &#039;social&#039; had somewhat quieted. I think I remember him saying something along the lines of &quot;look guys, there are conferences at Princeton by legal scholars who are assessing the damages done to the constitution by the Bush Administration- this is serious&quot; as a response to what he took to be off-beat &#039;theoretical&#039; questions. 

Again, this could be all wholly wrong. 

Also- your rhetorically poised question &quot;are there any Arendtians anywhere besides America?&quot; was refreshening. Learning and thinking about the academe and public discourse in other places has always interested me. And indeed, it&#039;s fascinating to see her become a symbol of American Exceptionalism. 

Finally,  I&#039;m still thinking about the West Wing analogy and I think I&#039;m in agreement. Great point! 

P.S - I need to read Badiou. 

Hope all is well! 

Please respond if you have any points of disagreements. I would love to read them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Voyou,</p>
<p>Sorry about not finishing up that earlier thought. I wrote a nice long post and some random &#8216;cookies setting&#8217; on my browser messed it up and all was lost. </p>
<p>All I was going to say is that I felt Villa wasn&#8217;t  critiquing social democracy, but rather anyone with a hint of a Post-Structuralist reading- especially in the moment he brought up the constitution. </p>
<p>If you remember, he made comments that went something along the lines of &#8220;You COULD do that with her thought&#8221; &#8211; &#8220;but not around me plz&#8221; or &#8220;that wasn&#8217;t one of her strengths, it wasn&#8217;t her focus, so don&#8217;t even bother&#8221; (the latter being directed at the woman asking about the law). </p>
<p>Indeed, I definitely felt that he was in some way channeling Arendt (especially by discarding the Post-Structuralist readings in favor of an intentionalist reading). Yet I also felt that he was far enough removed from his object (Arendt&#8217;s thought) so that he could still historicize it by saying that the critique of the social wasn&#8217;t aimed at the social democrats of today (who if we believe Sherri Berman is the ideological form of the end of history), but rather against the pertinently anti-liberal forms of Marxisms of yesteryear. </p>
<p>Or Jacobins for that matter; he did bring up Arendt&#8217;s reading of the French Revolution which is in many ways in line with Burke&#8217;s thought. In both analyses- the enemy is the social. They also both supported the American Revolution, but held cynical attitudes to the successes of the French (precluding an analysis of them as &#8216;anti-revolutionary&#8217;).  Most importantly, Burke insisted that the French championed the abstract idea of liberty rather than its reality- which is produced and maintained by civil government. This sounds a lot like Arendt. </p>
<p>Also, if you remember, the constitution-talk was brought up at the end of his presentation during the Q &amp; A. By this point, the discussion of the &#8216;social&#8217; had somewhat quieted. I think I remember him saying something along the lines of &#8220;look guys, there are conferences at Princeton by legal scholars who are assessing the damages done to the constitution by the Bush Administration- this is serious&#8221; as a response to what he took to be off-beat &#8216;theoretical&#8217; questions. </p>
<p>Again, this could be all wholly wrong. </p>
<p>Also- your rhetorically poised question &#8220;are there any Arendtians anywhere besides America?&#8221; was refreshening. Learning and thinking about the academe and public discourse in other places has always interested me. And indeed, it&#8217;s fascinating to see her become a symbol of American Exceptionalism. </p>
<p>Finally,  I&#8217;m still thinking about the West Wing analogy and I think I&#8217;m in agreement. Great point! </p>
<p>P.S &#8211; I need to read Badiou. </p>
<p>Hope all is well! </p>
<p>Please respond if you have any points of disagreements. I would love to read them.</p>
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		<title>By: Navid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Navid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 12:33:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My comment didn&#039;t come up for some reason. I&#039;ll finish it tomorrow.</description>
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